Scott Baier and Kathryn Marriott Discuss Chastity on Life Matters
CEO, Scott Baier hosts Kathryn Marriott, Outreach Coordinator on the second episode of Life Matters. Watch the show or read the transcription below as Scott and Kathryn talk about the importance of spreading the message of sexual integrity with young people as a preventative measure to abortion. Learn more about CPCI’s S.H.A.R.E. Program and find out why CPCI is one of the best pro life organizations to donate to.
Scott Baier: Welcome to this special presentation of Life Matters, where we cover all topics related to the sanctity of life and the protection of all human life, from the womb to the tomb, from conception and fertilization to natural death. Because, quite frankly, life matters. My name is Scott Baier. I’m the CEO of Community Pregnancy Clinics. And we offer women care, compassion and choices around the state of Florida with a panorama of resources and services for women in need. We like to say that if a woman feels lovable, she will be more love-able. And so we’re there to provide that care, compassion, and choices for these women in need. And one of the ways we do that is also to educate women and men about the healthy choices that they can make so that we see symptoms, we see abortions, not just as a- it’s a symptom of a greater malaise in our society that says that it’s okay to take the life of of an innocent human being in the womb. That’s a sickness and it’s a symptom. The cause is sexual health and relationship education and helping people make wise choices. Friends, we know that our opposition, the abortion industry, uses as their business model the product of abortion. It’s how they make their money. And so in their closed doors that we’ve learned from former abortion industry workers that they use the sales funnel of oversexualization of the culture in our schools and our universities. The product is abortion after they also offer the product of contraception, which they know 50% of the time fails. And then when it does fail, they offer abortion. And so in a sense, our sons and daughters around our country are the prospects for them in this business model. What we at CPCI see the opportunity to again educate men and women around this country, especially in the state of Florida for us, about the healthy choices that can be made to prevent future unplanned pregnancies, not just deal with the symptom of abortion. And we are blessed today to have with us one of our great employees at CPCI, Kathryn Marriott, who serves as Outreach Coordinator for us. And Kathryn, it’s so great to have you with us. Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule. And why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you kind of see this world of making healthy choices.
Kathryn Marriott: Sure. Well, thank you for having me, Scott. My name is Kathryn Hallinan, and as Scott said, I’m the Outreach Coordinator at CPCI. I’ve been here for about a year, as you know, Scott. And originally I’m from outside Philadelphia, so I’m newer to the Naples area. I’m newly married and I come from a wonderful large Irish Catholic family. I’m the fourth of five kids, and we grew up with a great, firm foundation of faith laid out for us by our wonderful parents. And I went to Catholic school all my life through high school. And once I went to college, that was kind of the first time where I was burst out of that Catholic bubble and in a completely secular environment. And I just quickly got sucked into the typical college party hookup culture. And it was the first time in my life where I almost felt like I was drowning. Right? And I was just surrounded by so many temptations and so many lies. And it was probably the most difficult point in my life because I just felt I never had felt so lonely or unsatisfied or isolated before. And basically, by the grace of God, I one day realized like, I need to start living differently. And he basically just opened my eyes to like the life that he was calling me and every single person to live like a life of virtue and a life where you’re surrounding yourself with good people and a life where you’re trying to get better every day. And since that day, that’s sort of what I’ve committed to doing, is just learning more about my faith. And ultimately I transferred universities and I started surrounding myself with good people and befriending priests and joining Bible studies and really just going all in and choosing our Catholic faith for myself for the first time in my life. And a key component that really transformed my faith life and my relationship with Christ and my relationship with myself and my relationship with other people was practicing the virtue of chastity and learning more about it. And that’s ultimately why I’m so passionate about the message of sexual integrity and how we share that with young people.
Scott Baier: We are so blessed to have you that you found Community Pregnancy Clinics because you were the perfect person to deliver this message. Talk about the S.H.A.R.E. Program and what practically you do in your work with Pam Stenzel. Also, she’ll be on in the future on our show. But so you’re working on the S.H.A.R.E. Program. Why don’t you describe that? Talk about and what it looks like.
Kathryn Marriott: Sure. Yeah So CPCI’s S.H.A.R.E. Program stands for Sexual Health and Relationship Education, and it was founded by Pam in 2014 when she joined as CPCI’s Director of Client Services, as you know. And basically what S.H.A.R.E. Is, is what is its name, sexual health and relationship education. So as you mentioned earlier, it’s getting to the root cause of abortion. It’s reaching young people before they’re in crisis situations, right? So before they’re in our pregnancy clinic where they’re in an unplanned pregnancy infected with an STI or in a toxic relationship. So my goal and Pam’s goal is to reach young people before they’re in those situations, right? So that looks like in middle school and high school settings, whether that’s in the classroom, youth group, a church group, and just speaking to them. So that looks like for me, giving my sexual integrity talk right? And last year I served as a missionary with the Culture Project, which is a Catholic missionary missionary organization where I was formed in Saint Pope John Paul II’S teachings of the Theology of the Body and learned more about sexual integrity. And that’s when I just started really living out the virtue of chastity in my life for the very first time in an extremely intentional way and just found this peace and joy that I’d never experienced before. And it’s a peace and joy that we at CPCI want for every single young person that they can, you know, live out their God given mission every single day.
Scott Baier: So talk about chastity, because that’s a word that’s often maligned by modern culture, right? And this kind of version of what sex is and isn’t and the meaning of the sexual relationship. Maybe talk about some of your highlights from your talks that you give in the schools around the state.
Kathryn Marriott: Right. So as you said, the world has a very different idea of sex than what the Catholic Church teaches about human sexuality. And I always love presenting chastity and our beautiful church Catholic teachings to young people in a very positive light because it is beautiful and it is true and it is good. And unfortunately, the world has just twisted the idea of chastity. And I understand that from personal experience. Growing up, although I was in Catholic school, I didn’t fully understand the true meaning of chastity until I started to read books on my own and ask good questions and talk to missionaries and talk to priests and talk about it in spiritual direction, where I just realized, Wow, I have had a completely wrong understanding of chastity my entire life.
Scott Baier: Like a light, just kind of opening up a new horizon. And it must be nice to share that with others. That they can now see this beautiful thing that God’s given us. In a way, that’s the way He designed it.
Kathryn Marriott: Yes. Right. Yeah, exactly. So I personally like to explain Chastity as just very practically for young people. So I explain it as chastity is the virtue, right? And we know that virtue, the habit of doing what is good, right? So chastity is the virtue which helps us to align the level of intimacy in our relationships with the level of commitment in our relationships. So the virtue which helps us to align the level of intimacy in our relationships with the level of commitment in our relationships. And I think that just makes sense to young people that the way that they interact with a stranger they just met on the street versus the way that they interact with their boyfriend versus the way that they interact with their spouse versus the way that they interact with their grandmom or their mom or their coworker. All those relationships are going to look different. The intimacy level is going to look different, each of those relationships, because the level of commitmen is different,
Scott Baier: That’s great. So all they normally have, young people, is television, movies and a culture, a culture of death, but a culture of impurity. And that’s they think that’s the norm. Right? So how do you break into other than just telling them and then trying to walk them along the path of understanding that’s not what God intended for sex, right? He intended it for marriage. Right. And so how do you how do you find that people are responding? I don’t think we have to go that far that soon. But how far or how much do you think they’re responding to it when they hear you?
Kathryn Marriott: Sure. Well, ultimately, they respond very well, is what I have experienced. And it’s because I try to relate to these young people as much as possible, sharing my personal experiences, sharing my personal misunderstanding of chastity, sharing how I lived in a very worldly world in my early college years and what I saw and how we live in this culture of use where people are so focused on themselves, so focused on getting what they want, when they want, even if that means sacrificing someone else’s good. Right? So I always start off my talks by acknowledging that and pointing out like, we live in this very broken world and it’s not supposed to be this way and it’s not okay, and it’s not what we’ve been created for. And it’s a culture that is promoting promiscuity. It’s encouraging sex before marriage. It’s normalizing people living together before marriage. It’s pushing pornography. It’s praising abortion like it is so, so broken. And we deserve more, right? So I like to point that out to young people. Like this is what we experience. And this might be our norm. We might think this is okay and just how it’s supposed to be, but it’s not. We were created for so much more than that. And then from there I kind of go into chastity and explain it as I just explained it to you and go a little deeper. And then I also then talk about that two fold purpose of sex given to us by God, which is babies and bonding, as we know. And I dive into that with young people and I just reveal the beauty of it, that through the sexual union, right, of a married couple, new life is born, and that is amazing. That that is miraculous. And I point out to young girls like your power as a woman and your femininity is so beautiful and it’s literally physically life giving. You have the ability to nurture and grow a human being inside of you. And I just like to point that out.
Scott Baier: Yeah. To cooperate with God’s creating power is an amazing gift, right?
Speaker2: It’s amazing. And it’s one that we don’t normally think about because it is just so normal, right, in human existence, but especially today where it’s it’s so twisted, and our world is telling young people that having children is a burden. That you shouldn’t have children, that you should actually be more masculine than feminine. It’s just so twisted and it’s such a lie.
Scott Baier: Right. Do you find that some of the kids you’re speaking to, it almost sounds too good to be true to them because it’s like they’re fish in a fishbowl of dirty water. They don’t even know what clean water looks like in terms of a culture because they’ve never lived in a culture that’s been pure. Do you find sometimes they say to you, well, no one lives like that, that’s impossible. It’s it’s too much for them because they don’t have the sense of virtue that they can attain.
Kathryn Marriott: Sure. Yeah. I have experienced students responding in that way as well, saying like, I think you’re setting the bar too high. And I just respond, the Catholic Church does set the bar extremely high for us. Yeah, she does. Because she realizes that we’re capable and not only are we capable and She, the Church and the Lord sees that in us, but she also gives us a roadmap and, and a pathway to be virtuous through practicing the virtue of chastity.
Scott Baier: And to freedom. Right? Because a lot of times people think the church is going to limit our freedom. And it’s of course, just the opposite as you’re referring to. It’s like, here’s the playing field. If you go out of bounds, here’s what can happen to you. It’s not causing that to happen. It’s saying that thou shalt not because it’s not going to lead to freedom. So this idea of slavery and freedom, I think when people start to experience, as you’re probably seeing with the kids, you’re talking to, the freedom that can come from making the right choice, doing God’s will there’s tremendous freedom in that. So that’s wonderful. So let’s talk about because you must have also kids, young adults, who maybe have lost hope, that it’s possible that it’s kind of like not even worth trying. Maybe they made mistakes. Maybe they’ve gone down a path that they regret. What do you say to them and what would be your message to our viewers out there that maybe have that as their history?
Kathryn Marriott: Yeah, as Scott said, for anyone who might be thinking that which is a lie, right, that it’s too late or that this message isn’t for me, that’s not true. Like you are not broken and you’re not dirty. Rather, you are loved and you’re beautiful and you are pure. And Jesus wants to heal you and he wants a relationship with you. And he’s just been waiting for you to turn to him. So if this is a message that that has piqued your interest or has got you thinking or reflecting about maybe past sins that you’ve committed or or decisions that you’ve made in the past that you’re ashamed of? Just know that the Lord wants to to forgive you and heal you. And that freedom and that grace to start anew is found in the sacrament of confession. So just run there, run to the sacrament of confession, and you will receive mercy and forgiveness. And it is it is the greatest joy that you could ever. Her experience, truly.
Scott Baier: That’s awesome. Thank you, Kathryn. Now, you’re younger than I am, right? I’m getting to be old and losing my hair, I think. But they must respond to you in a way that’s different because they’re seeing you as someone that they want to emulate. And I can say my own daughter, Catherine, was at one of your talks and she had positive reviews. And I asked her, what did the other kids say? And they were you know, they wanted to go to your recent wedding. You know, that’s how much they enjoyed it. But on the male side, one of the boys had said, well, that’s not possible. That’s not really who’s living like that. But in a culture where people start to make those decisions for life, for purity, it’s a powerful motivator, right? Because we see others now that can do it. So you’re doing that. Do you have any stories or anything that you might share that would be specific without names, of course, specific examples of women and maybe young men who have heard your talks and responded?
Kathryn Marriott: Yeah, sure. So I recently was at a high school and as a little thank you, they all wrote little cards to me, messages, which was so sweet. And one of the girls just explained that she had never heard a message like this before. And she was so thankful. Like thankful, a lot of students thank me for sharing my story because I share a lot with them. I’m very vulnerable because thinking about me in their situation, I know that had someone told me what I share with young people, maybe I would have made different decisions, right? Hearing personal stories from people does makes an impact. That said, she just thanked me for sharing my story and she said, “Can you please keep sharing this message with young people?” And I think that just shows like young people want to be good. And they want their peers to be good and they want their peers to be free. And they see that they live in a broken culture and that their friends and themselves aren’t reaching their full potential and being like the disciples and the good people that the Lord is calling us to be. And they just want the truth. They’re thirsting and they’re starving for the truth. So I think when I shared just the church teachings about chastity and God’s plan for sexuality, it’s like this whole new world opens up for them that they have not even realized that they have been starving for. Yeah. And then when they get a little taste of it, when I speak to them, they’re like, “Can we hear more? Can I ask you more questions? Can you keep sharing this message with other people?”
Scott Baier: It reminds me of, like I’ve heard this analogy that the culture is so toxic. It’s like we’re all eating out of a dumpster and don’t even realize that we’re eating garbage until we have something really solid and nutritious and tasty, like a steak or something. We didn’t realize we were eating garbage. And so as a culture, we’re kind of eating garbage. And these kids are sensing, as we see in the clinics, as you know, that we’ll have women sometimes that have three, four or five abortions. So it’s this cycle of dysfunction, a cycle of bad choices, right? And so, again, the symptom of abortion. But let’s get to the cause, which is sexual health and relationship education. So I think that’s a great theme. And in fact, I also share, as you know, from the former abortion industry workers who say their business model is to have three abortions for every woman by 33 by 30. That’s their business model. So talk about do you think some of these kids are picking up on the idea that the culture is not in their favor, is not helping them be more holy, obviously, or even pure? And how do we get kids to understand that Hollywood is about money? The abortion industry is about a product and money and not looking out for them and and who is looking out for them other than, we’ll say, the church and other people trying to live a holy life. So maybe talk about do you use the culture as a way to infuse into your talks this reality that we do have an opposition, we have an enemy, spiritually and physically,
Speaker2: Yes, absolutely. And kids are good and kids are smart and young people, like I said, they want to be good. And when they’re being fed all of these lies. Right, it does become their norm. But when they get glimpses of hope or glimpses of truth and they get a taste of what they’ve been made for, I think they really hold on to that. At least I did.
Scott Baier: Awesome. Yeah. You’re a perfect example. Yeah. Any other stories or examples of people who have heard your talks or have been you’ve interacted with?
Kathryn Marriott: Yeah, sure. When I was actually here in Ave Maria for the March for Life, I gave a speech directed towards young people. Right. Just calling them higher, speaking about chastity, giving them hope in this crazy world, encouraging them to be pro-life warriors. And a little middle schooler ran up to me after that talk, and she was like, “That was the most inspiring talk I’ve ever heard. Can I give my teacher your contact information so you can come to my school?” And of course, that was so affirming and adorable to me. But I think that was just such a powerful reflection of her like that just showed that this girl and her peers, like I said, want to be better And they want to hear these messages in their schools, from their teachers, from the adults in their lives. They want to have people who they can look up to. And it’s I’m so privileged and honored to go into schools and interact with young people and hopefully be a good example for them.
Scott Baier: What a gift. And that’ll just transfer to others that they share it with, hopefully, because they can be the ones sharing the message. Talk about Theology of the Body and what you think is the core message, because it’s obviously an expansive array of documents that John Paul the Second, as you know, gave us at his Wednesday addresses over, I think, three years, right? It was a year and a half or something. So how do you distill down something that’s theologically can be pretty heavy? Sure. It can be a lot of meat there. How do you distill it down to its core essential elements? Yeah, that’s a.
Kathryn Marriott: Great question and I actually like to start off my Sexual Integrity talk, talking about the Garden of Eden and Saint Pope John Paul the second loved talking about the Garden of Eden. And I love reflecting and praying about it, as well. And most young people, right, especially in Catholic schools, are very familiar with the creation stories. Right? God created Adam and Eve, man and woman made for each other and everything was beautiful and perfect and ideal. And that is what we were created for, like that perfect harmony amongst each other and within ourselves and with the Lord in total peace. And I just invite the students to think about that and like, think about that joy that Adam and Eve experienced right before the fall and how that was the Lord’s original plan for us. Yeah. And then, of course, we know that Eve reached for the apple-
Scott Baier: Or fruit. We don’t know it was an apple. I’d say that sometimes we don’t know if it was an apple.
Kathryn Marriott: A fruit Eve reached for the fruit. Yeah. And stuff kind of hit the fan from there. And the Lord’s original plan for humanity has never really been the same since.
Scott Baier: Yeah, I’ll take a segway there for Adam was there. And as a male in this world of pro-life, he didn’t say anything because it’s implied in scripture, as you know, that he was there. He wasn’t off someplace else. And he didn’t use his voice. He didn’t defend and protect the woman that he was given the charge to by God. Right. The two became one. Yeah. And so I often reflect on males out there and men who don’t feel they have a voice in this. You know, we know the my body, my choice mantra, which is really, as you know, an inversion, right, of the beautiful teaching on the Eucharist where Jesus says, “This is my body given up for you.” Now we have a culture saying “It’s my body and I’m going to give up your body for me.” So it’s really but I just want to mention the males there. But go back to that. So now that Christ became man and died for our sins, John Paul the Second would say we can actually attain some of that original purity, the original plan can be ours here on earth, not just in heaven.
Kathryn Marriott: Exactly right. And in the meantime, right, before we get to heaven, during our time here on Earth, Christ has given us a roadmap, and so many church leaders and church teaching and Jesus forgives us, and the virtue of chastity shows us how to obtain heaven here on earth through our relationships and through loving purely and through being loved in return and a beautiful, pure way. So I like to just zoom out in the beginning of my talks to young people and just get get them to start thinking like, okay, what we’re experiencing right now was not the original plan. This is not what we were intended for, this sin and this brokenness. But rather we were created for the Garden. And during our time here on Earth, like this is how we can get a glimpse, like a foreshadow, a taste of what we will experience.
Scott Baier: It takes our will, right? We have an intellect and a will, and our will has to open up to that. Like God doesn’t force us. Right? Right. These young people you’re talking to, you can’t force them to make good decisions, right? You can just present truth, the beauty. Right. And hopefully they respond to that. But that’s a great mission for us. All right. To think about who we’re interacting with, can we open up the horizons for them to see God’s greater glory and his potential? Maybe go back to those that have made mistakes? Right. Because I know, again, we have a culture of people who have we’ve all made mistakes. Right. But how does that turn into their identity? Like they start to label themselves, I’m never going to be good enough to deserve a partner who’s going to live. For a life of purity with me. I really think we know there’s a group of people out there who just have lost hope. Maybe speak to them again. You can talk to me. But back to like, how do we reach them with a message of hope?
Kathryn Marriott: Yeah, well like you said, sin wounds us, right? And then when we’re wounded, then we’re just so vulnerable to all of the lies that the devil wants to speak to us. And the devil loves to work his way, way in there. And it can be so disheartening. Right? And I think when young people can can hear the truth, right, that I that I hopefully share with them and through different role models and the church shares with them that they can get a glimpse and it starts with their relationship with Christ like that’s what is so key that having that foundational relationship with Jesus, not just surface level like you need to, to take all of those wounds, all of those past sins, all of those hurts to him. And to trust and fully believe that he can can heal you. And then from there, like that, healing runs over to the rest of your life and to the rest of your relationships.
Scott Baier: Yeah, I like to say, often we think of sometimes conversion as a peeling an onion rather than a banana. Right? I think in the evangelical world, you know, conversion means I’ve accepted Jesus and I’m the banana that’s open now. But really, we know that’s not reality for me. I know it’s been an onion peeling where there’s some tears and there’s some struggles, there’s ups and downs and that’s okay because that’s part of the journey. But conversion means a daily. So I think you referred to it having that relationship a prayer life would be essential to start off with anybody who wants to kind of restart. So having a prayer life, would it say Saint Alphonsus said without prayer, you’re not assured heaven, right. And it’s a virtue, right? Piety. And then how about the sacraments? You mentioned confession. Of course, what other sacraments might you lean to to say, okay, healing and conversion from these sacraments, Right?
Kathryn Marriott: The Eucharist. We need the Eucharist. Us young people need the Eucharist as often as we can get it. We can get it every day, and Daily Mass is such a gift. And we need the Eucharist. We need Jesus’s body to transform us.
Scott Baier: The source and summit of our faith.
Kathryn Marriott: Absolutely. Yeah from the inside out we need it. And I could not practice the virtue of chastity. I could not dive deeper into my prayer life. I could not love selflessly love my husband as I am working every single day to do right in a pure, selfless way if I didn’t have the Eucharist.
Scott Baier: Yeah, that’s a great reminder, a great reminder. And of course, baptism. People forget every time we make the sign of the cross, we’re renewing our baptismal promises. Right? And that’s something God gave us the mark. And so I think, as you pointed out, baptism, confession. Right. And the Eucharist are the three big ones. And now talk about marriage as a sacrament, right? Because you have recently been married and I think you said your name wrong before
Kathryn Marriott: I probably did.
Scott Baier: You are Kathryn Marriott.
Kathryn Marriott: I’m Kathryn Marriott.
Speaker1: And of what, two weeks now, right?
Kathryn Marriott: Yes.
Scott Baier: So how did the preparation for your own marriage you know, as you have all this wealth of knowledge and experience, how did it play into preparing for your own sacrament of matrimony?
Kathryn Marriott: Sure. Well, my formation with the Culture Project and now with Community Pregnancy Clinics and and just my family as well, of course, and my upbringing has has prepared me for marriage in a way that I’m just so grateful for. Of course, I realize I do not have everything figured out. At all. And in these past two weeks of being married, I’ve realized that for for certain. But marriage is such a gift. And engagement was such a special time where our purity and practicing the practicing the virtue of chastity was so difficult. Right? And the temptation was right there in our face. And it’s difficult. But my husband, Jake and I, as you know, are very much on the same page. Yeah. Which is so important. And I love to tell young people that, like, for for the man that you’re going to date or the woman that you’re going to date, it’s so important that you’re on the same page when it comes to your faith life and when it comes to drawing boundaries in your relationship and expectations and needs that you have for your relationship, it’s so important that you not only communicate them, but that really you’re on the same page, right? Because then you can run to the Lord together and it’s not this constant battle or being defensive of your beliefs or the boundaries that you want to set. It’s it allows you to trust the other person and trust that they want what’s best for you and they want what’s best for your relationship as well. So Jake and I were just very honest with each other from one of our very first. It’s through the rest of our dating experience and engagement and now marriage. Just communication has been so key. Praying together has been so key. And keeping God at the center of our relationship is just so important if we want to love each other well.
Scott Baier: I’m looking forward, you’re going to do great things for Community Pregnancy Clinics, but your wedding, your marriage is just a great example for the world and it’s a testimony of hope. So you mentioned communication. I know young couples have difficulty. And I tell the story of couples that have come to our clinics, had an abortion last time, came to us this time and said, we really want to have life this time. And then in that interaction, the one spouse said to the other spouse, Well, I thought you wanted me to get the abortion last time. And the other spouse said, I thought you wanted me to tell you that you that you should have the abortion. There was no communication. And so it’s like a fundamental part of relationship is trust. And you have trust through conversation and relationship. But it’s such a not taught skill. Right. And these young people you’re probably encountering don’t think they have a voice. And if they do have a voice, they don’t know how to use it. So how do we get to them? You know, the message is you do have a story, right, and you need to share it. And even if it’s a broken story, that’s probably just what the other person you’re talking to needs to hear, right? So any thoughts on communication and how we can help young people maybe have courage? It’s a virtue, right, to speak in a world that’s probably not going to be very receptive to them. Right. But God’s asking them to do that. So maybe some encouragement in that in that area. Sure.
Kathryn Marriott: Yes. Communication is so key and praying to the Holy Spirit is so key. Right. And with young people, too, they want to be good, like I’ve been saying. And they just need like a road map or to be taught. Right. To be taught how to communicate well, because they’re not going to know. You know, young teenagers, they’re not going to know how to communicate well if an adult or a role model in their life doesn’t teach them Or if miscommunication happens within the family or a relationship talking about it and taking everything as a teachable moment and like I said, praying to the Holy Spirit for those difficult conversations, like you mentioned with that example in the pregnancy clinic, praying to the Holy Spirit for guidance and for wisdom, for clarity and like you said, for courage.
Scott Baier: It’s a great reminder. Pray to the Holy Spirit. Well, it’s been great. How can people get in touch with you or at least communicate with you in a sense? If they have questions or if they want resources to further their exploration? How can they do that?
Kathryn Marriott: Sure. So people can contact me through emailing info at community for life dot com with any questions, I can see those emails. Absolutely. And then also just to stay in touch with Community Pregnancy Clinics, you can follow us on Facebook or Instagram at Community Pregnancy Clinics, or you can visit our website support CPCI dot com or Community Pregnancy Clinics dot com to find out more about our resources and services.
Scott Baier: Kathryn, thank you so much. You’ve been a blessing for us and I’m sure for the viewers, as well. Friends in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter five, verse eight, it says, “Blessed are the pure, for they shall see God.” We live in a culture that doesn’t want us or doesn’t direct us to be open to seeing the face of God. But we know that’s God’s plan. And if we’re going to be the best version of ourselves, as we as we’ve often heard, we need to be open to that grace that God’s giving us that Kathryn mentioned through the sacraments and prayer, but also through choosing, choosing the good right, choosing purity. And that’s so hard. So I just want to give encouragement. You know, God sees us two ways. He sees us as we are and he sees us as we could be right. We’re called to be saints. And the more yeses we can give him, the more openness we have to the Holy Spirit. We’re going to reach that beatific vision and one day, see each other in heaven. Until then or until then, we hope to see you next time. Thank you for being with us on Life Matters, because quite frankly, life matters. Thank you for being with us. And remember, you are loved.
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